The 1970 2800 Project

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Growing up in Florida during the 1970's without TV created a childhood full of adventures, projects, mayhem and mischief. I am particularly indebted to my parents who led unique lives and encouraged independence, experimentation, learning from failure, and taking on risk. The common thread was a life of being creative, active and involved.


I'd kept a written journal since middle school, and during college I penned an entry which essentially defined the way I've lived my entire life:

"The only superiority I seek is to be superior to the myself of yesterday."


My grandfather, a PhD in organic chemistry who taught me how to make my own Estes model rocket engines, and how to make fireworks for the 4th of July, introduced me to the creative genius and adventurous spirit of Richard Feynman, whose Challenger investigation summary statement would end up defining my professional career as a R&D scientist:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for mother nature cannot be fooled."


Starting about 2001, I began restoring some well-known BMW's from the 1980s - my teenage years. I was fortunate to own and drive this 1988 M5, which I purchased from the BMW CCA Driving instructor in San Diego, and this 1985 Euro E24 M6 which I acquired from a gentlemen in Palos Verdes. The E24 was a grey market vehicle that had been federalized by Frank Fahey in San Diego; it was a challenge. It was sheer luck that a colleague's wife spoke German - she helped me translate the microfiche parts catalog that came with the E24 when I needed parts. In between cars, I was busy in the wood shop - enjoying another childhood adventure I inherited from my father - designing and building furniture and instruments.


Fast forward to 2022. I went to the Hermosa Beach Comedy & Magic Club and Mario Joiner got onstage. His opening bit began with: "I'm 61. Going to the doctor isn't much fun anymore.. but this is Los Angeles.. I get to date thirty year olds." The crowd laughed their asses off.

Mario's next line: "From where I stand, I can see the cemetery on the horizon no matter which direction I look... but damn, thirty year olds keep me distracted from thinking about the cemetery." You can imagine the response to that bit.

About a month later I was watching David Rubenstein interview John Chambers on his Bloomberg show. Rubenstein posed the question: "John, what would you say to young people coming out of college these days?"

Chambers' response was immediate and electric.. "David, if you're not learning something new at your job and having fun, it's probably time to find a new job."

Those two thoughts began to swirl in my mind.. the way the drummer and the bassist in a jazz quartet play off each other during a jam (I was the bass player in college and a DJ on WREK 91.1FM). I constantly found myself staring in the bathroom mirror thinking "You're 52.. at this point, you're past the halfway point in life. What do you want to do with the rest of the time you've got left on the clock ?" I realized I hated my corporate engineering gig, so I broke out my old journals and began brainstorming ideas for a new career path. What could I do that required minimum CapEx ? I came up with a plan, and I'm executing.

But then the itch found me.. I've been driving Subaru WRX STI's since I sold those BMW's and I wanted to do something radical... a random hot rod conversation led me to the world of 2002's, E3's and E9's. I found e9coupe.com during a web search and a whole new sort of adventure began taking shape... yes... this was going to be a trip backwards in time... way back in time... to when I was born.. I'd be restoring a car that rolled off the assembly line about the same time I appeared in the world.

So here we are.. the first post in an E3 restoration thread which will probably stretch ten years into the future.


I was particularly inspired by a number of E9 and E3 threads on this site:


And a number of articles out on the web:


Last, but not least, this E3 build caught my attention. I was fortunate to meet the builder, Seth, at the Laguna Seca Historics this year and see this car with my own eyes - it would be the very first time I'd touch an E3.

After the races, Seth invited Tim and I up to his camp site where we got under the hood; there's a world of difference between looking at online photos and seeing the work with your own eyes.


The night I drove back to Southern California from the Historics, a vehicle appeared on Craigslist; I got in touch with the owner and drove down the very next day.

Perhaps it was meant to be? VIN #2420398 is now in my hands. Over the next ten years or so, we'll take a journey together and I'll do my best to document our adventures...
 

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I am lucky to have multiple friends who are excellent mechanics and fabrication artists...

My friend Tim is currently working on a 1971 Pantera (I assisted in the wiring on this project). His previous project was a Porsche 914 race
car which blended a full tube chassis with a 585HP V8 and a Porsche 930 transmission. I've personally sat shotgun in this machine while Tim
drove it at 140mph on the straight sections of track at Streets of Willow. That's as fast as I ever want to go....

Roy is a champion of the early days of hot rods. I look forward to getting a whole new level of education on welding from this artist. Whatever
part he's unable to purchase.. well Roy just makes a replacement on his 5-axis mill. I hope you enjoy his fully restored 1935 roadster....
 

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I love to hear some of the background on how we all arrived at our journeys, looks like you have your work cut out for yourself. Looking forward to your next posts.

Chris
 

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Congrats on your E3 purchase! Looks like the last one you looked at from this thread...


What are your plans for it?

In any case, stick around. We need another E3 owner. This group was/is extremely helpful to me and I'm sure they will be to you also.
 

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Awesome!

It was great to meet you, glad you found a car! And, it’s a pre 72, which has the better tail lights,IMO.

Looking forward to seeing where you take the build.
 

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Welcome to our little corner of the world. It sounds like you will fit in nicely here.
 

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Great intro! Glad you found one to buy..I know we messaged a bit, but I couldn't bring myself to part with my project ;-)...Maybe I'll be inspired to make a new push on mine!
 

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I've been looking to make a few possible changes... I've keep watching this video for inspiration, trying to imagine myself in the paddocks or machine shop in 1972. I like the quote by one of the BMW executives.. loosely paraphrased.. "if a man likes to ride in the back of a car, he will design such a car. If a man likes to drive, he will design a car for drivers."


If I had been fortunate enough to work for the race team... how would I approach challenges handed to me? What would my solutions look like? One has to be willing to look at all solutions and consider the possibilities, even if they initially feel... unorthodox.


I really like the feel of these E9 side mirrors compared to the trapezoidal shapes that came on the E3; there's something more symmetric, something more elegant about their shape..

I'm also quite intrigued by this flat, '68 Colluado mahogany steering wheel. At 365mm diameter, it seems like an excellent compromise between the 390mm deep dish steering wheel on my E3, and the 350mm MOMO-style steering wheels for racing that were common in the 60's...
 

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In the other E3 forum, I posed a question about E3 mirrors.. particularly the passenger side view mirror. I was curious why I saw so many E3 vehicle photos where the cars only had driver side mirrors. Amongst the responses, Dick Steincamp dropped a vendor link that I'd never heard of:

Following Dick's suggestion, I did some digging and came up with these links for Trapezoidal mirrors (which are also available on eBay):

But then I discovered these sideview mirrors:

In the end, I got lucky and located an individual in Costa Mesa who sold me a pair of these 'flag' mirrors; they were in the original boxes from Wallothnesch and their part numbers match the links above.
 

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I've been looking to make a few possible changes... I've keep watching this video for inspiration, trying to imagine myself in the paddocks or machine shop in 1972. I like the quote by one of the BMW executives.. loosely paraphrased.. "if a man likes to ride in the back of a car, he will design such a car. If a man likes to drive, he will design a car for drivers."


If I had been fortunate enough to work for the race team... how would I approach challenges handed to me? What would my solutions look like? One has to be willing to look at all solutions and consider the possibilities, even if they initially feel... unorthodox.


I really like the feel of these E9 side mirrors compared to the trapezoidal shapes that came on the E3; there's something more symmetric, something more elegant about their shape..

I'm also quite intrigued by this flat, '68 Colluado mahogany steering wheel. At 365mm diameter, it seems like an excellent compromise between the 390mm deep dish steering wheel on my E3, and the 350mm MOMO-style steering wheels for racing that were common in the 60's...
Your standard bus wheel is 42cm, CSi sport wheel is 41cm, Petris are 40 and 38cm.
 

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Another impressive project that caught my attention:

The 3" stainless exhaust and Marman clamps remind me of the exhaust system on my '85 Euro M6. I also like the custom engine protector plate and the undercarriage shots. Nifty trick - the yellow paint markers on the bolts - clever way to see if anything is shaking loose. Finally, thanks for the lesson on the exhaust system; I plan to mock mine up several times to make sure I avoid any clearance issues. (I can imagine how frustrating that was.)
 

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In the other E3 forum, I posed a question about E3 mirrors.. particularly the passenger side view mirror. I was curious why I saw so many E3 vehicle photos where the cars only had driver side mirrors.

Right side mirrors simply were uncommon in the time period. My first two cars (Bavaria and Capri II) didn't have them and in fact we didn't have a car with the right side mirror until 1983 when we bought my wife an Audi 4000S. :)
 

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On my E28 and E24, fog lights were an integral part of the front bumper assembly... On the E3 and E9 it seems we have a fair amount of creative freedom and can do a little bit of customization..

I wanted to say thank you to everyone who offered their opinions and advice on this fog light dialogue; It was really helpful to get actual model numbers, locate their spec sheets and have a visual comparison to the E3 headlights.

 

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Searching for turning signals led me to a USA vs EURO turning signal compatibility question:
 

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Hey, not sure if you got an answer on the turn signal thread. From my understanding you can use the euro signal lens with US housings if you trim down the reflector part. (Haven’t done it myself though)
 

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I had PM's with multiple individuals regarding the compatibility of USA and Euro turning signals. Dowst had USA and Euro units and confirmed did a fit check as part of our discussion.

I'd summarize it this way:
  • Euro turning signals are low profile compared to the USA variants
  • Euro turning signals have single filament bulbs, in contrast to the USA variants which have dual filament bulbs and act as a turning signal & running light
  • One can shave down the USA reflector and place a Euro lens on top
 

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I forgot how much I enjoy searching for parts... my '85 Euro M6 always presented an interesting challenge. When I purchased the vehicle, it came with a big box of German microfiche... so I'd look up parts in the microfiche at the local library (they were the only people who still had a microfiche viewer), print out pages, and ask one of my colleagues for a translation. Then I'd order parts from Germany.

Here are some recent acquisitions.. and more to come!

Many thanks to:
  • goeggel-oldtimerteile @ eBay
  • burgklaus @ eBay
  • egyautoparts @ eBay
  • GK-E30M3 @ e9coupe
 

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