I recently picked up a few m30s with serial numbers and if possible track down the owners of the cars that they belong. giving them first dibs to buy the numbers matching engine to their cars if they even exist. I have the following engines 1) 2240288 2) 2240298 3) 2250207 4) 42483548 I also have a 2.8 out of I think a 2800 but can't see the number yet. i'll have to clean it off. Any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks!
engine to serial numbers
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2240288 was owned at one time by Bill Riblett
2240298 was owned at one time by Bill Riblett
no idea on 2250207
42483548 isn't a coupe 434#s are '74 csi
2240298 was owned at one time by Bill Riblett
no idea on 2250207
42483548 isn't a coupe 434#s are '74 csi
Very cool
Agreed. I think it would be nice to register the motors also, but not my registry.
The Registry is for chassis VINs only otherwise we could have duplicates.
No worries. You and I view duplicates differently, but data is my profession. A chassis vin is not a duplicate of an engine vin. Technically your composite key is vin_type + vin but that is irrelevant. One handles the user experience with a chassis vs engine filter, and a visible attribute that differentiates the two.
Ideally, you also have owner member registration history. In that case the unique key or 'grain' of the data is: vin_type + vin + registration_start
Admittedly, I was a bit excited about a redesign because I can add that capability in there, along with year/make/model validation against the documented VIN range.
I used to used to develop against a database of 60,000 service trucks and would find VIN discrepancies all the time.
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Many owners don't share their names or even alias in the Registry data. If we added engine VINs would we need to add b35 engine VINs too? I don't think so, let's keep it simple.
No, the point is for coupes. Not sure what point that would serve. The day will come where owners want original motors. You respond as if it is some type of slippery slope, but precedent has long since been set with other vintage vehicles. Also, the european members here will articulate that numbers matching bmw's are more valuable over there. This change isn't happening either way so the discussion is academic at best.
I know about the cars/engines being with Bill Riblett hoping to find the current car owners. For some reason I never got a notification and just now seen the replies. I'm offering the engines for sale if anyone is interested.
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On facebook there is a guy with an old CSL engine searching for the car it belongs in to reunite
I own black 73 coupe vin 2250207 I am in California
Johnny
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Wow! This site is amazing !!!
I tell you something Markos ... and I am not joking .. if it wasn’t for guys like you , Chris, as well as other , I would have been tearing up more Mercedes than E9’s.
It is just a phenomenon that some quality people are behind this forum! It just happen to be! And I am lucky to be part of it !!!
Cheers to all!
It is just a phenomenon that some quality people are behind this forum! It just happen to be! And I am lucky to be part of it !!!
Cheers to all!
2275xxx
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2275088 ?
Wasn't it this one already ?
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s...or-engine-getriebe-gearbox/304132546-223-2795
Wasn't it this one already ?
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s...or-engine-getriebe-gearbox/304132546-223-2795
jvrenaudon
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I have to agree with what Markos says in regard to the desirability of corresponding engine and chassis numbers. I think that this derives from european trends, particularly in British motorcycles, where a non-matching machine will never command the same price at auction as an original. Take Vincents, for example, where all the major engine and gearbox castings are stamped with a unique reference (sometimes mating) number. The frame number to the upper frame member should match the number on the rear swinging-arm and the engine number is almost invariably found to be 1900 digits away. You can imagine that this is fertile ground for obsessional people who would readily turn their noses up in the event of any inconsistency being apparent. More and more I note advertisements for classic cars following the same trend. I know...I know! Best wishes, John.
Never say NEVER ...
I fool with some early Ford Bronco's and ran across a couple of original 1966 Bronco Roadster Owners Manuals with 1st owner name and address with serial #'s hand written in the front of the owners manuals.
Advertised both on related web forums ... PLACED them BOTH with corresponding trucks (made the parties prove ownership and serial #'s).
The ole "InterWeb" is a powerful force !!
Be Safe All, Jimmy B.
I fool with some early Ford Bronco's and ran across a couple of original 1966 Bronco Roadster Owners Manuals with 1st owner name and address with serial #'s hand written in the front of the owners manuals.
Advertised both on related web forums ... PLACED them BOTH with corresponding trucks (made the parties prove ownership and serial #'s).
The ole "InterWeb" is a powerful force !!
Be Safe All, Jimmy B.
This note is slightly tangential to the preceding discussion. However please bear with me.
I have recently approached BMW ([email protected]) for details of the date of manufacture etc of my car (RHD City Pack CSL). BMW replied -
'Thank you for your email. For the BMW 3.0 CSL we are somewhat restrictive with information, because these cars are often subject of falsification.
Before we can tell you anything about it, we need some pictures, so we can check if it's an original CSL.
Therefore I would ask you to send us photos of the car as well as pictures of the numbers on engine, chassis and manufacturer's plate (sending these pictures by email would be o.k.).
I will show them to our experts and as soon as they agree, I will tell you what's in the delivery book.'
The car is currently undergoing a full restoration and the engine is away with a specialist for attention. I am not immediately able to supply a photo of the engine number but I know it matches the chassis number.
I therefore sent photos of the shell, the VIN plate and the number on the bulkhead together with a photo of the registration document showing that I have owned the car since 1982.
BMW replied again -
'I’m afraid I have to wait for a picture of the engine number too. We have quite strict rules regarding these rare and expensive cars. There are just too many faked ones on the road and there’s a lot of money involved.'
Many thanks for your understanding.
I replied -
'I will do what I can to obtain a photo of the engine number from the people who are re- building my engine (they are situated 300km away).
I can tell you that the engine number matches the chassis number, as shown on the registration document.
I have owned the car for 36 years and I am in no doubt that the car is a genuine CSL.
However what would you say if the engine did not have a matching number?
Surely you cannot say that cars with replacement M30 engines are not genuine?
I will be in touch when I have the photographic evidence you require.
I have not had any subsequent response and I will try again when my engine specialist provides the required photo.
Does BMW imply that a car without a matching engine is in some way not genuine?
I would be interested in the views of Members.
Cheers
Marco54
I have recently approached BMW ([email protected]) for details of the date of manufacture etc of my car (RHD City Pack CSL). BMW replied -
'Thank you for your email. For the BMW 3.0 CSL we are somewhat restrictive with information, because these cars are often subject of falsification.
Before we can tell you anything about it, we need some pictures, so we can check if it's an original CSL.
Therefore I would ask you to send us photos of the car as well as pictures of the numbers on engine, chassis and manufacturer's plate (sending these pictures by email would be o.k.).
I will show them to our experts and as soon as they agree, I will tell you what's in the delivery book.'
The car is currently undergoing a full restoration and the engine is away with a specialist for attention. I am not immediately able to supply a photo of the engine number but I know it matches the chassis number.
I therefore sent photos of the shell, the VIN plate and the number on the bulkhead together with a photo of the registration document showing that I have owned the car since 1982.
BMW replied again -
'I’m afraid I have to wait for a picture of the engine number too. We have quite strict rules regarding these rare and expensive cars. There are just too many faked ones on the road and there’s a lot of money involved.'
Many thanks for your understanding.
I replied -
'I will do what I can to obtain a photo of the engine number from the people who are re- building my engine (they are situated 300km away).
I can tell you that the engine number matches the chassis number, as shown on the registration document.
I have owned the car for 36 years and I am in no doubt that the car is a genuine CSL.
However what would you say if the engine did not have a matching number?
Surely you cannot say that cars with replacement M30 engines are not genuine?
I will be in touch when I have the photographic evidence you require.
I have not had any subsequent response and I will try again when my engine specialist provides the required photo.
Does BMW imply that a car without a matching engine is in some way not genuine?
I would be interested in the views of Members.
Cheers
Marco54