Honestly thought you'd bury me with 100 pix of boots with CS badges
I always thought the injected cars ran 'CSL' on the boot but the 169 cars just ran CS.
Hopefully Yannick will chime in.
Carbed CSL for sale in OH - 245k
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Honestly thought you'd bury me with 100 pix of boots with CS badges
I always thought the injected cars ran 'CSL' on the boot but the 169 cars just ran CS.
Hopefully Yannick will chime in.
Honestly thought you'd bury me with 100 pix of boots with CS badges
I always thought the injected cars ran 'CSL' on the boot but the 169 cars just ran CS.
Hopefully Yannick will chime in.
What I have observed is that the carb CSL’s say “CS”. The instances where the “CSL” badge is applied to the original “CS” aluminum trunk lid results in an “L” that is too close to the trunk edge.
There are examples of this online, I’ll try to dig a few up.
Edit:
Here is a standard injected CSL aluminum trunk. Note the location of the “L” relative to the trunk edge. Several members know and have enjoyed this CSL.
Here is a carb CSL with the CS badge, presumably with an aluminum lid, and certainly CS badge holes drilled into the lid.
Here is where it gets murky, and why experts like @Keshav have to defer due to “who knows what BMW did”.
This is the second+ generation carb CSL brochure which featured the colorado and golf CSL (first one was Colorado only). Note how close the “L” is to the edge of the boot lid. The holes on this lid are drilled to CS badge specs. Obviously the badge existed at the time of the brochure. They either switched and installed the badge, or they did it for the factory photos. The only thing that I know for sure is that that most of the carb CSL boot lids are drilled for a CS badge.
Here are other examples of carb CSL’s with a CSL badge installed:
It’s not as simple as picking pics of the net where both versions are to be found. Your observation implies that all carb cars with CSL on the trunk have been modified after the fact, like the current example for sale which looks otherwise perfectly unmodified?
I agree, it is never that simple. I’m certainly no expert nor have I claimed to be. I will continue to throw out any observations that I find, 99% of which is off the backs of people who actually are experts. Deferring as you did is a better option, but the point of a forum is to discuss. If my observations are wrong, please continue to call it out.
My updated observations show that the generation 2 brochure has a carb CSL with a CSL badge. That would certainly indicate that the factory did use the CSL badge. I speculated that the cars came with a CS badge, but the brochure certainly contradicts that.
I am observing pictures of known carb CSL’s on the internet. If alternatively we leave the decision up to say - the elusive @Yannick, what will his opinion or stated fact be based on? I’ve only seen 3 carb CSL’s in person ever. He’s probably seen half of them. Given that he likely won’t reply, I can only assume that his info will be equally based on observational “research”. Cars that he saw in person, perhaps he snapped photos. Maybe he was in touch with some factor resource? I don’t know, but he himself would say that factory documentation is extremely sparse. The one difference however is that in person one can tell if a trunk is aluminum, and if the carb CSL is real. I pulled all of these photos from 221 cars on Lezebre. I know the site is far from perfect work in progress but there is a section devoted to carb CSL’s, many of which have been for sale or on display. The info is much better than say - the motorsport section.
BTW - I first read of this phenomenon from “CSL 1973” in the thread below. I would love to know what @Yannick had to say, but reasons unknown to me, he opted to delete ALL of his CSL related posts. Keep the knowledge in the family I guess.
Did you know this about the carb CSL
- The early carb CSLs were not badged with a CSL emblem on the trunk lid - only "3.0 CS" - No CSL stripes - Engine oil capacity 6,5 litres compared to 5,75 for the injection version - Final drive ratio 3.45 compared to 3.25 for the injection version - Basically delivered in three colors...
e9coupe.com
What I do know is this this public forum is an enthusiast site. We make do with the knowledge that we have available to us. Some enthusiasts are unable to climb mount Olympus to speak personally with the CSL gods that keep the e9 knowledge under lock and key. Perhaps we will learn something new about the carb CSL badge but I won’t hold my breath.
Everyone has their own priorities and I am thankful for what I have learned from Yannick, not excluding the excerpt from his letter written nearly 35 years ago. Here is a quote from said letter:
Yannick said:
Actually, antennas were installed by dealers and although the Blue Books as I recall detail how to mount them on the left front fender we know dealers did install electric antennas on the rear driver fender. They could be fitted up front but they would be exposed to a much harsher environment.
coupe2800cs
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The other CSL cars I have looked at the majority have no antenna....
My Italian euro '74 had the power antenna on the driver rear fender.
Wow, I am torn between being fascinated or turned off by such minutia. In the spirit of the CSL being partially about saving weight, the best badging would have been no badge and save a few additional grams...and no decals, and no wheel arches I guess.
And no wings, spoilers, or air dams?
And no wings, spoilers, or air dams?
No bumpers, no roundel, no rear seats, no right side mirror, just two headlights, front brakes only, no lighter, no heater, no horn,
no interior light, no owners manual, nothing hydraulic (clutch nor brakes), no ignition switch, three lug nut rims, no spare, no door handle weights, etc etc.
That was the CSLL, so rare even Yannick would not know about it. But it flies.
IF I ever have the time and money restore my car I plan to do a carb CSL tribute. Without factoring any differences in motor weight, using a bunch of CSL parts my car would still need to lose an additional 40lbs to match up. That was with some modern trickery also. It’s actually quite difficult to get a presentable e9 to carb CSL specs, especially without having CSL steel. I’ll look into some of these options.
IF I ever have the time and money restore my car I plan to do a carb CSL tribute. Without factoring any differences in motor weight, using a bunch of CSL parts my car would still need to lose an additional 40lbs to match up. That was with some modern trickery also. It’s actually quite difficult to get a presentable e9 to carb CSL specs, especially without having CSL steel. I’ll look into some of these options.
Great plan. At some point, just like with jockeys, the weight of the driver starts to matter. The last 40 lbs are getting easier I hear with Ozempic, but do not try to get your insurance to pay for your CSL tribute.
Questo CSL è stato venduto, uno del gruppo l'ha comprato? Ho la storia italiana dell'auto da condividere con lui
Confermo, i primi carburatori CSL hanno le targhette CS, il mio è sempre stato così (quello giallo nella foto Petrolicius.com postata da Markos), ho recuperato un cofano posteriore di una Inka CSL, demolita negli anni 80 per incidente , ed è la cover posteriore originale in alluminio con stemma CS.
giannicsl
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