Modified 1970 BMW 2800CS 5-Speed
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whose car is this? Perhaps a member ?
70 Polaris 5speed E9 on BAT
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whose car is this? Perhaps a member ?
HonaloochieBoogie
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Looks like an exceptionally well done car.
It was done by Coupe King in south LA, so well done, but not cheap. I hope, for the seller's sake, that it goes for north of 150. It deserves it.
It should. It's magnitudes better than any of the other 200k coupes with the exception of the Cain car. I like the understated CSL'esque interior choices quite a bit.
It may be a tussle of the Coupe King provenance VS the market perceived 2800 inferiority. It will be interesting, regardless.
Since it has the M30B35 motor w/ MegaSquirt II, 4-wheel discs, it's Polaris, and various other upgrades so to speak, it may not be a big deal that the 3.0CS badge is on there, leather seats are gone, etc. I would have done the same thing. Unlike vintage Porsches, originality doesn't seem to matter as much with these e9's, people like the upgrades better "typically." I think this should do really well.
Love the old school banana intake. What I want to do w/the B35 I have.
Would be perfect if it had a sunroof (personal preference) and a painted (not spray bombed/undercoated) underside, but she should easily hit six figures. No idea on reserve though so it may not sell.
Would be perfect if it had a sunroof (personal preference) and a painted (not spray bombed/undercoated) underside, but she should easily hit six figures. No idea on reserve though so it may not sell.
Someone commented:
"Curious about the wiper washer system, – are the updated nozzles integrated on the hood considered a superior system to the original 2800 nozzles, and if so, why?"
I'm curious too. I kinda prefer the 2800 style nozzles (hidden).
"Curious about the wiper washer system, – are the updated nozzles integrated on the hood considered a superior system to the original 2800 nozzles, and if so, why?"
I'm curious too. I kinda prefer the 2800 style nozzles (hidden).
Rex Kapriellian
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I’m rooting for him!!
It’s the Silver Surfer on the CK website.
150k didn't meet reserve. Interesting, I would have taken Craterface's at less than 1/2 the price instead. 150k for a 2800cs nice 
I hope we all realize, once you hotrod an e9 there's literally zero difference in a 2800 vs 3.0. With the exception of the VIN and that should mean nothing as the originality was gone along time ago. It baffles me to no end that the perceived value of a 2800 in ANY guise is less than a 3.0. This car was as good as a street driven coupe gets. Seam welded chassis, provenance from renowned coupe specialist etc etc... Compared to the other fluffed coupes that went for over 200, it was exponentially better. I don't get it....
Rex Kapriellian
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I think the “2800” had some to do with it, not sure a hot roded 912 would bring the same money as a hot roded 911, just how it is. but maybe timing had more to do with it, I would have pushed this one right after the 2021 triplet E9’s that brought all the money and used that momentum to sell this one.
I saw this one in person, agreed, I bet it’s head and shoulders above the “fluffed coupes”
as a 2800cs owner, once the brakes are brought up to 3.0cs ... there is very little difference. i agree with @tferrer, the 2800 vin should NOT make any difference to anybody in the know. this is an excellent coupe, better than most 2800cs or 3.0cs. it brought a good sum, but IMHO, not as high as it should have brought. that being said, this is something that every 2800cs owner will face at one time or another. that being said, this one raises the values of other 2800cs by showing that they can bring serious money ... and for that i am happy
Personally I feel like the auction history of bidding up to $150K is telling, but not precedence setting. We need auction hammer prices to change Hagerty valuations. Those valuations change perception, which in turn affects future sales.
To no surprise this ended with a RNM.
Sad because it is magnitudes nicer than the batch that sold between $145K and $200K. I love the 2800CS the relentless value delta is the one thing that gives me pause as I plan out my restoration.You raise a good point @Rex Kapriellian. I don’t think this is a like for like comparison however. The 912 was an entry-level 911 with a significantly smaller motor putting down about 30% less horsepower.
The 2800CS was simply the first e9 chassis. It delivered the same horsepower as the 3.0. It also had a rich history in racing unlike the 3.0. Race teams like Schnitzer went from the 2800CS to the 3.0CSL. Some of the most valuable non-works e9’s in the world are the early 2800CS racecars.
One could argue that the 2.5s was the e9 equivalent of a 912, but it still had an M30 in it.
Beautiful car, but a few negatives:
- spray bomb underneath
- dash trim a bit too glossy and not to everyone's taste
- seats not stock and again, not to everyone's taste
$200k cars, seems like one would need either a stock, untouched floor pans w/OEM primer (can be worn out, but still there) or full rotisserie restoration with it all painted underneath that either matches the top color (not stock) or OEM grayish/tan primer.
- spray bomb underneath
- dash trim a bit too glossy and not to everyone's taste
- seats not stock and again, not to everyone's taste
$200k cars, seems like one would need either a stock, untouched floor pans w/OEM primer (can be worn out, but still there) or full rotisserie restoration with it all painted underneath that either matches the top color (not stock) or OEM grayish/tan primer.
One other factor, which is mostly speculation on my part, is that the collector car market in general has cooled down from the overheated post Covid days. Not that we are post Covid, but once that we could see the light at the end of the tunnel, Covid spending habits changed. Car guys with disposable income were ready to buy the car of their dreams after being without their hobby for a year. Not only that, but they couldn't spend money on expensive trips and other luxuries during Covid...even eating in a fancy restaurant was out. Bank accounts were fat. We see this spending surge in lots of other categories. Boat and RV sales have skyrocketed for example.
But maybe everyone now has bought that car they lusted after when paying more than the pre Covid market for it was no big deal and we are drifting back to a more realistic collector car market.
BaT RNM listings are up. This is strange for BaT since the payday for them is when the car sells and they collect the 5% from the buyer. There are so many sellers that want to use the BaT venue, that BaT can be super picky about reserve prices. If there is a chance the reserve might be too high and car won't sell, they won't list it.
I could be all wet (it's happened before ). Something to watch, however.
But maybe everyone now has bought that car they lusted after when paying more than the pre Covid market for it was no big deal and we are drifting back to a more realistic collector car market.
BaT RNM listings are up. This is strange for BaT since the payday for them is when the car sells and they collect the 5% from the buyer. There are so many sellers that want to use the BaT venue, that BaT can be super picky about reserve prices. If there is a chance the reserve might be too high and car won't sell, they won't list it.
I could be all wet (it's happened before
). Something to watch, however.
I'd suggest a 2000CS compared with a 2800 or 3.0CS is a closer comparison of a 912 to same year 911.
Chris, i think you are correct. especially with a strong 3.5 in either model. i maintain, find the best body you can afford and build it the way you want it ... and drive the hell out of it. maybe one day soon,, i will get to do that
If I see an untouched chassis, I'm running, not walking away. There's no such thing as a rust free original e9. Absolute ZERO chance an original car won't have rust somewhere you can't see. BUT if you somehow did come across one that had been hermetically sealed in a dehumidified Chamber since new, as soon as you drove it in real world conditions, the fenders will rot off. I'll take a restored car over any seemingly "rust free" original car every time...