What did you do to your E9 today?

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It's a shame you're not enjoying your new purchase!

Was some days ago, but got the '67 out to meet some old '02 friends for coffee in downtown Austin. No one had seen this car yet and there were a lot of questions! Ended up driving about 120 miles that day without a hitch. Lots of twisties and hard driving to see how it compared to my low-slung '02. What a ton of fun.
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...actually got about 22mpg with all that hot-footing thru the hill country

Needs sway bars :)

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Took her out to meet a buddy for lunch

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Adjusted the carbs linkage but I only had one problem driving it, caught myself faster than the speed limit a few times!
 

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Steve, I'm loving this car... I very much enjoy driving it but I really should get onto tearing it apart for paint and interior.

Stan... How does it compare to the 2002? I gave some driving impressions over at 2002FAQ, but I'm happy to relay a few things.

Keep in mind this CS is an early car, with the 4 cylinder M10, not the bigger 6s of the e9. My 2002 is a hotrod, with most of the standard go-fast mods to engine and suspension. It feels very light underneath me and throttle and steering inputs are instant. I fixed up a '75, 2002 over the last 2 years and though it had new sway bars and Bilstien HDs, the engine was stock. That '02 wasn't nearly as responsive to inputs as my '71.

This 2000CS has a very similar engine build but is heavier than my '71 by maybe 500lbs? (not sure the weight, but would like to get it on the scales to know for sure). With that, the car is slower to build speed, but feels solid in fast sweepers. The CS came to me with no sway bars at all, but Bilsteins in back and the struts are quite firm (not sure what cartridges are in them). The car behaves in tight corners like a late-'60s American muscle car... plenty of body roll. The 195/70/14 tires have a lot of shoulder that add to the soft cornering. This CS has the QR steering box, but stock steering wheel is 420mm across...the combination actually makes for a nice balance in the big car. Mostly, I can not toss this car around in tight corners like I can the little 2002, but that's okay.

Inside there are some major differences. The pedals hinge at the top in the Coupe, but the 2002 has tiny pedals that hinge on the floor... it's the very first thing new 2002 drivers have to get used to. The Coupe with it's bus-wheel and long clutch pedal put me right back into my '70 GTO Judge... But I will say that the throttle pedal is light and it is close to the brake to allow easy heel-toe action for blipping the throttle for double clutch downshifts. I found that it is slightly easier for me to match revs on corner-entry with the Coupe than my '02...slightly.

The seat position of the Coupe feels somewhat higher than the '02. My CS has early seats with no headrests and only lapbelts... I envision a Dale Earnhardt type of demise in this car.... The price of style, I suppose. The steering wheel seems to be a bit further away than in the '02, but I haven't measured that. My '02 has a 350mm Petri, so it's pretty tiny. The shifter has long throws and feels pretty sloppy; I will rebuild it. My '02 has a fresh, short-throw shifter to the 5 speed, so that's not a fair comparison.

Brakes are one of the hallmarks of the little '02; properly adjusted they are fabulous with way more power than necessary. The CS has only 2 piston calipers up front (the '02 has 4 piston units) and the rear drums are 350mm on the CS. In all my hot-footing last weekend, I never felt I needed more braking ability...

Overall? The CS makes a fine touring car... perhaps a bit under-powered in this M10 configuration, but the nose doesn't feel too heavy. It's solid as a rock at highway speeds and in big sweepers. My 2002 with 100s of pounds less weight will run away from this Coupe in the twisties, but the CS is so much smoother and quieter. A "refined ride" if you will.

I have plans for some sway bars for the CS and I have some intake and exhaust enhancements I will be installing, as well as a 123Ignition dizzy. I think these modest modifications will wake the Coupe up and give it more response, while retaining it's classy ride.

Right now, I'm glad I have a choice between the two :)

Ed
 

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About the weight, this is from automobile-catalog.com:

2000CS 1967

Curb weight (without a driver): 1180 kg / 2601 lbs
Gross vehicle weight rating GVWR: 1580 kg / 3483 lbs
Payload: 400 kg / 882 lbs
Displacement: 1990 cm3 / 121.2 cui
Horsepower net: 88 kW / 120 PS / 118 hp (DIN)
Torque net: 167 Nm / 123 ft-lb
Horsepower gross: 99 kW / 135 PS / 133 hp (SAE)
Car power to weight ratio net: 74.6 watt/kg / 33.8 watt/lb
Car weight to power ratio net: 13.4 kg/kW / 9.8 kg/PS / 22 lbs/hp


2002 1971

Curb weight (without a driver): 990 kg / 2183 lbs
Gross vehicle weight rating GVWR: 1390 kg / 3064 lbs
Payload: 400 kg / 882 lbs
Car power to weight ratio net: 74.2 watt/kg / 33.7 watt/lb
Car weight to power ratio net: 13.5 kg/kW / 9.9 kg/PS / 22 lbs/hp
Car power to weight ratio net: 74.2 watt/kg / 33.7 watt/lb
Car weight to power ratio net: 13.5 kg/kW / 9.9 kg/PS / 22 lbs/hp


2800cs 1970

Curb weight (without a driver): 1330 kg / 2932 lbs
Gross vehicle weight rating GVWR: 1710 kg / 3770 lbs
 

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Thanks for the stats! I have seen several weights listed and some put the early CS at about that 2600 pound mark. The weight listed above for a '71 2002 seem lighter than what is typically referenced. Without putting both cars across a CAT scale, there is no sure way to know. There is a scale near enough to me to settle the issue...I'll put that on my to-do list.

I can only say that both my 2002 and CS have similar powerplants and final drive ratios, but the 2002 leaps to redline in 1st and 2nd gear where the Coupe lags behind that. I should measure the total height of the tires and see what differences there may be there...

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In case my earlier post was doubted, I completed the harder part tonight. Actually got the new starter installed, and did not have to remove a carb, dump coolant, disconnect fuel lines etc, etc. What made the difference was inserting the solenoid only once starter was sitting under back weber, and the special "obstruction" wrench that helped access that bottom bolt. the upper bolt could only be tightened with the trunk kit 17mm Heyco.
Time for a celebratory beverage I would think! Mike
 

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Adjusted low beam angle for better night driving, not very exciting I know but soon I'll be dropping in the M90 and the game will change. Right now cleaning up the 88' 735i for daily driver duty.
 

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I am starting on my Vintage preparation/list of things to fix so today I went after the ill-fitting side console piece where it meets the dash, been bugging me for years and my half hearted attempts to solve it in the past were futile so I went all in today. Driver side fits well, passenger side looked like this:

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So I removed the shift console top and the a/c face plate to get in there, I unscrewed all but the unreachable screw behind the glove box to loosen the side piece and pulling it down I noticed that the dash behind it had some metal crap in the way (above the screwdriver):

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So I carefully dremeled it away to enlarge the area back there (highly stressful as one slip = disaster):

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Then bent up the bracket on the tunnel a little so that it forced the piece up higher into the dash:

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and all back together after an internal cleaning:

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very tidy now Steve. You were so brave to take on such a cosmetic project that is visible to you the driver every moment you are in the car. Happy it worked out so well. Congrats! Mike
 

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excelllent that seems to be a commom problem as mine was the same and also bugged me a bunch
i ended up trimming the top of the side piece so as not to tear up the top part.
 
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