The pics make everything look wet. And it was restored in 2014, but fenders needed work in 2019 and hood in 2021? Those fender channels don’t look good but we only get to see a small view of them. And two different fuse stickers under the hood?
E9’s are selling like Hotcakes on BAT 73 with 5 speed
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I think Chris' post answers this question. Dry climate is much kinder to the model.
This car will most likely make the owner a lot of money....at least return what he put into it. The buyer will be happy with it. It is a pretty neat hot rod E9.
With that said...and hopefully not taken as further "piling on"...black paint needs to be perfectly applied, cut and buffed, over a perfect body or it shouldn't be the color of choice (my opinion). Black forgives nothing. This car has a pretty wavy body, and the paint looks like it is "as shot" (or worse). With the paint properly cut and buffed, It will still not look right since the wavy body will be even more accentuated.
Here are a couple of photos from the listing...
The reflections in the paint are not very sharp. They should be almost like a mirror if cut and buffed properly. With black you need to get ALL the orange peel out. On black, I make my final cut with 3000 grit. Black is the only color I need to go this fine with. If you rub your hand over 3000 grit sandpaper it feels like a baby's bottom (slight exaggeration
).
Even with the not shiny surface, you can see how the reflections are distorted due to the poor body work. The distortions will show more with shiny paint.
Here are two cars I have done but no longer own. I am not a pro body man. Rank amature. I'm slow and if I had to pay someone as slow and as inexperienced as I am to get these results, I'd go broke. Also, I did not apply the final paint on these two cars. I did the body work and primers and the cut and buff.
In my opinion, to get this E9 to the level of some of the big bucks cars we've seen recently on BaT, you'd have to start over on the body and paint. If you can do that yourself, it's under $2k for the materials. To have a reputable shop do it, it's about $20k where I live (assuming no rust repair). Not a show stopper in either case depending upon what it sells for.
With that said...and hopefully not taken as further "piling on"...black paint needs to be perfectly applied, cut and buffed, over a perfect body or it shouldn't be the color of choice (my opinion). Black forgives nothing. This car has a pretty wavy body, and the paint looks like it is "as shot" (or worse). With the paint properly cut and buffed, It will still not look right since the wavy body will be even more accentuated.
Here are a couple of photos from the listing...
The reflections in the paint are not very sharp. They should be almost like a mirror if cut and buffed properly. With black you need to get ALL the orange peel out. On black, I make my final cut with 3000 grit. Black is the only color I need to go this fine with. If you rub your hand over 3000 grit sandpaper it feels like a baby's bottom (slight exaggeration
). Even with the not shiny surface, you can see how the reflections are distorted due to the poor body work. The distortions will show more with shiny paint.
Here are two cars I have done but no longer own. I am not a pro body man. Rank amature. I'm slow and if I had to pay someone as slow and as inexperienced as I am to get these results, I'd go broke. Also, I did not apply the final paint on these two cars. I did the body work and primers and the cut and buff.
In my opinion, to get this E9 to the level of some of the big bucks cars we've seen recently on BaT, you'd have to start over on the body and paint. If you can do that yourself, it's under $2k for the materials. To have a reputable shop do it, it's about $20k where I live (assuming no rust repair). Not a show stopper in either case depending upon what it sells for.
Okay Okay! I think I get cranky when I see 3+ e9’s listed on BaT at any point in time.
Everything on this car is coated in something. The seats and panels are painted tan. The dash is painted black. The wood has lacquer brushed on, the HL grilles are painted black in situ. The bay, shock spacers and anything nearby are splattered black (not excluding headers). The valve cover, manifolds, and carbs, suspension and exhaust are sprayed silver in situ. The clear signals are sprayed italian amber. The calipers are sprayed black.
I only know this due to observation of overspray, failing paint, and hand cutting the interior (versus masking or part removal). I have little room to judge. My car isn’t this nice as of now. I like this car and I think it will make someone very happy.
Personally speaking, I would rather just see the car in original form versus all of the enamel dressing. To each their own. If the car is dry, this seems like very easy stuff to “undo” if desired.
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This is the right attitude. As long as it sells for an appropriate price then it’s a good car.
BTW, I have NEVER seen someone rattle can a DCOE before! I never would’ve believed it had I not seen it.
Owner exhibits a sensibility which I find totally alien.
who from here is going to be the glass half empty critic to point out this sort of stuff on BAT?
Owner exhibits a sensibility which I find totally alien.
who from here is going to be the glass half empty critic to point out this sort of stuff on BAT?
These reviews of BAT listings remind me of the last years before retirement. I mean, by then you have learned what works in your chosen field, and what will not. Then new guys come in, have great ideas and enthusiasm and propose lots of change. You respectfully offer your opinions, but nobody is listening. They want to do what they want to do. Buyers of E9s right now, in my opinion, just want one. There are not many left, fewer for sale. Our opinions of what a good example may be is irrelevant. But it is fun to see who can find the most egregious error in the re-construction of a particular example, then watch the swell of interest as the deadline for final bid approaches. Nothing surprises me anymore, regarding the sale price of an online auctioned BMW E9.
tmh
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What are the guesstimates as to final sales price, +/- $5000?
$60k.
It's quite crazy what E9s are going for on BAT.
That dash wood (and gauge faces/surrounds) would need to be changed asap for the buyer IMHO. That would bother the heck out of me.
The glovebox warpage is a bit concerning too.
It's quite crazy what E9s are going for on BAT.
That dash wood (and gauge faces/surrounds) would need to be changed asap for the buyer IMHO. That would bother the heck out of me.
The glovebox warpage is a bit concerning too.
LOL I knew the clock glass looked like a Christmas ornament, but missed this one. You might not be surprised to learn that what we see is black paint overspray.
Looking at the gauges, I think they are frosted from spray on lacquer for the wood.Wipers also got silver treatment:
Steering column got brushed black:
Is this interior made out of frosting, or have I been watching too much Great British Baking Show?
Assuming a nicely restored E9 is now worth >$100k, there is a lot of room to spend to fix bodges and botches.
Despite the mountain of things done “wrong” on this car, If it’s rust free I think it’s worth $50,000 or more. The whole interior could be fixed up for $15k (redye the redye, new wood etc). The engine, engine bay and inner fenders could be cleaned up for another $10k assuming no rust. The missing nuts and bolts can’t add up to more than $100.
So you could be at $75k and have a pretty nice E9.
tmh
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$50 k is what I was guessing, based on recent $40k Bat E9s, but that assumes it is rust free, a substantial assumption. There could easily be another $10k in cleaning up the underside, suspension, brakes, etc. It is really hard to assess paint without seeing it. It will be interesting.
I had the opportunity to drive this car about 2 years ago. It was for sale on Facebook Marketplace. When I saw the description of a rebuilt engine with big pistons,5 speed, and the 3 DCOE40 carbs, I wanted to see how it compared to my car. I had never driven a Coupe with this set-up except for mine.
The car's acceleration was a non-event. It felt like half the power of my car. Then I looked behind and stepped on the brakes going about 40 MPH. The car immediately swerved into the left lane! The owner said he never noticed any braking problem and rarely went over 3000 RPM. The tires were rubbing on the front fenders and were way oversized. The fit and finish were worn and crude. All of the awards and other stuff was from previous owners when the car was in decent shape. The owner now selling the car on BaT has spent a lot of money fixing the tires, brakes,finish,etc. But this is no hot rod unless the engine has been completely gone over. I hope the auction buyer has a PPI done or has a chance to drive the car. He will need to join the forum to find out how a Coupe really performs.
The car's acceleration was a non-event. It felt like half the power of my car. Then I looked behind and stepped on the brakes going about 40 MPH. The car immediately swerved into the left lane! The owner said he never noticed any braking problem and rarely went over 3000 RPM. The tires were rubbing on the front fenders and were way oversized. The fit and finish were worn and crude. All of the awards and other stuff was from previous owners when the car was in decent shape. The owner now selling the car on BaT has spent a lot of money fixing the tires, brakes,finish,etc. But this is no hot rod unless the engine has been completely gone over. I hope the auction buyer has a PPI done or has a chance to drive the car. He will need to join the forum to find out how a Coupe really performs.
Given the length of ownership and his enthusiasm for the car, Seems likely the owner must be a member here.
Some people simply are not very observant so it is possible the owner sincerely thinks the car is well restored, despite the fact that it isn’t. I’ll bet all of you know people like this, people who are intrinsically blind to things like rust bubbles, overspray, color mismatches, rough vs smooth paint, crooked panel gaps, etc. They look right thru superficial surface flaws and only see the beauty that lies beneath.
we tend to be this way with our kids, and our favorite politicians, so why not w our cars?
Some people simply are not very observant so it is possible the owner sincerely thinks the car is well restored, despite the fact that it isn’t. I’ll bet all of you know people like this, people who are intrinsically blind to things like rust bubbles, overspray, color mismatches, rough vs smooth paint, crooked panel gaps, etc. They look right thru superficial surface flaws and only see the beauty that lies beneath.
we tend to be this way with our kids, and our favorite politicians, so why not w our cars?
I think this is a case of, owner spent a lot of money fixing rust and repaint, but then decided to perfume the insides and engine compartment himself w/lots of rattle cans to save money.
if the car is rust free and the paint looks good, then ya, spending another $15k on the interior and cleaning up the engine compartment of rattle can, it may end up a decent deal...if new owner wins the auction for less than $50k.
if the car is rust free and the paint looks good, then ya, spending another $15k on the interior and cleaning up the engine compartment of rattle can, it may end up a decent deal...if new owner wins the auction for less than $50k.
I have a feeling owner loved to brush POR-15 on everything to keep the rust underneath of what he brushes at bay.
Power brake booster...EVEN the ALTERNATOR REGULATOR!
AC drier...and the coil?
Power brake booster...EVEN the ALTERNATOR REGULATOR!
AC drier...and the coil?
'69 2800cs
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I've posted before that I don't like the nitpicking that happens on cars like these...they all have issues and some little stuff is very easy to remedy.
Rattle canning, however, is a bit more sinister to me, particularly on a car going up for auction.
Those front fender channels are rotten from the inside out, and have been painted over/touched up, whatever. You can see the rusty metal pushing up the sound deadening panels.
You could still buy it, love it and enjoy it for a while, but just know once you get in there there will be much welding to put it back right.
Rattle canning, however, is a bit more sinister to me, particularly on a car going up for auction.
Those front fender channels are rotten from the inside out, and have been painted over/touched up, whatever. You can see the rusty metal pushing up the sound deadening panels.
You could still buy it, love it and enjoy it for a while, but just know once you get in there there will be much welding to put it back right.